Tim Burton may give Beauty the Alice treatment

[CrimsonRyu17]

In terms of the stories cited, the parallel elements stemming from a shared set of archetypes are the endless sleep, the princely rescuer, and an important discovery upon waking. If Briar-Rose has a kind of power in this state, it is in the displaced vagina dentata of the thorns surrounding her interior castle, which are being fought by the Prince's phallic sword. This is to say the young woman may have some bite to her, which is the symbolic source of psycho-sexual conflict.

So Sleeping Beauty is metaphorically about sex now?

.. Wat.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

So Sleeping Beauty is metaphorically about sex now?

.. Wat.

In his defense, you can take any narrative and critically examine it through numerous literary theories, i.e. like psychoanalysis, post-colonialism, poststructuralism/deconstruction, Marxism, etc.

And from what I gather, he's creating a meta-analysis (and thus pulling other sources of various fields and referencing similarities and trends between them) with a psychoanalytical framework. So then naturally, with all Freudian psychoanalysis, sex tends to be a frequent topic. XD

However, Ghost, I'm afraid that you're being far too esoteric for most people here to really take you seriously. =\ This isn't a forum of post-graduate English majors or anything. =\ If it were then I would assume you'd have far more positive feedback.

[GhostontheNet]

Perhaps you're posting your psychoanalytical meta-analysis of things to the wrong demographic here...

Cause uh... I don't think anyone really understands your perspective here.

My apologies if everyone was sleeping through their fairy tales, or through their lives and education for that matter, but the whole purpose of a fairy tale is to communicate some layer of symbolic meaning normally hidden from view. They are stories that guide the listener through their rites of passage, which in turn play a crucial role in defining who they are becoming, and how they will relate to the world around them. Fairy tales are unique in that they function as a kind of meta-sex education that travels under the radar, which is to say into the subconscious. The stories would not continue to be disseminated if the meanings they communicated did not continue to serve some important social function. In the case of Sleeping Beauty, the narrative perspective of Woolverton's and Burton's project implies the need to lay to eternal rest the original story, one of the cornerstones of the classical Disney mythos, as a dubious archaic fable. Inherently, this poses the question as to the underlying meanings behind the original film and fairy tale, which are now being subverted by allowing the antagonist authentic subjectivity and the power of narration.

[Cognitive Gear]

Right, answer me with the image of the deadly chalice that kills everyone but the prince-hero. That's a great way to disprove a claim to archetypal imagery.

It appears that you have, once again, anachronistically over-examined something to the point of missing the author's intent entirely. Let me be more direct.

I like literary analysis. I can talk about it for hours. It seems that you love it too, and that's great! However, there are two problems with the type of post that you made here:

1) First, and most importantly, CAA isn't really the place for linking sexual meanings to classic stories. It's certainly not against the rules, but it just isn't the type of thing that is generally appropriate to talk about here. When making a post on any forum, it's best to take the community into account. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one responsible for any 13 year olds who decided to google search some of the things referenced in your post.

2) Perhaps I am of an older tradition of thought, but it seems to me that your analysis tends to over-examine things for the sake of over-examination. Getting at the literary meanings of things is great, but sometimes it's easy to look into them so far as to start shoehorning meanings in where there were none meant to be found.

3) Literary analysis of fairy tales is especially tricky, given that each fairy tale has many variations, in which none are identical, and many times the things we think are symbolic are no longer even present in the tales. I'd be very wary of using any kind of Freudian psychological analysis, as these symbols are often less important in fairy tales than they are in other, more authoritatively written storytelling mediums.

EDIT:

My apologies if everyone was sleeping through their fairy tales, or through their lives and education for that matter, but the whole purpose of a fairy tale is to communicate some layer of symbolic meaning normally hidden from view.

You know, I was hoping that this could be a civil conversation, but you just took it out of that territory. I'm sorry if my image response felt aggressive and ignorant to you, that was not the intent. I don't have anything to say in response to this, other than that it saddens me to see this.

And with that:

[Radical Dreamer]

My apologies if everyone was sleeping through their fairy tales, or through their lives and education for that matter, but the whole purpose of a fairy tale is to communicate some layer of symbolic meaning normally hidden from view.

This thread is really getting out of its original territory, and your post in particular, Ghost, is needlessly inflammatory. This thread has outlived its usefulness, so I'm going to go ahead and lock it. Also, here is a picture of a smiling cow.