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TheSubtleDoctor wrote:I love the characters, I love the insanity, and I LOVE the names joke (won't ever get old). JBA also kept me guessing concerning the characters' ultimate outcomes until the final pages. Really good stuff.
Mr. Hat'n'Clogs wrote:While I haven't finished 20th Century Boys yet due to money, I'm curious why you like Monster more than Urasawa's other stuff.
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1493529) wrote:Getter Robo
I was telling HatandClogs the other day that my tastes in anime and manga have been noticeably changing in the past year or so. I have been gravitating towards stuff that is progressively more and more insane. This is how I ended up at Getter Robo.
Do you want a manga that pits a giant combining robot against an empire of dinosaurs? Have you ever thought that you'd like one of the protagonists in the manga you're reading to be completely psychotic? Would you like to encounter such things in the pages of a manga as a half robot, half dinosaur WITH COBRAS FOR ARMS followed by MECHA TORNADOES? Like your heroes fighting evil with a stomach wound? A fan of drills? Severing of body parts both human and reptilian? If you've answered "yes" to these questions, then Getter Robo is the manga for you!
Now, I know this sounds like perfection, but there are a couple of flaws in this apparent-masterwork (can you believe it?). One of the heroes' personality shifts really drastically with no real development process worked out on the pages. In chapter 9, the art style completely changes, though this isn't necessarily a flaw. It can be a bit jarring, and, even if you grow to like the new art, it just changes back after chapter 9. That's right. For one chapter, the art is totally different. I have no idea why...maybe Go Nagai let Ken Ishikawa have a chapter to himself?
I mentioned Nagai, and this manga is one of the infamous "Father of Comics" most well-known and beloved works. It's got his distinctive character designs, which turn some people off (though, can I say, the guns, tanks and mecha are INCREDIBLY detailed), and, being a work of the 1970s, the plot isn't what you'd call groundbreaking.
But, so what? It's got giant robots cutting up dinosaurs! Come on! Read this!
I responded to your MAL message, and I will paste that response here as well:Goblinator (post: 1493647) wrote:Hello, I registered just to clear the confusion. The Getter Robo manga was written and drawn by Ken Ishikawa. Go Nagai came up with the concept but he was too busy with other projects at the time that he left everything else in the hands of Ken Ishikawa. The artstyle change is is still actually still Ken Ishikawa's style, just his late one. Every arc of the manga (original, g, go, shin, ark) were compiled and pages were added for the Getter Robo Saga version years later (contains all the getter robo arcs in one big book) to make the manga more coherent. As for the personality change, you'll probably talking about Hayato. His personality never switched. He only acted like he did because he was scared s***less of the reptilians. Otherwise, he's the calmest member of the group usually.
Again, Go Nagai had very little to do with the Getter Robo franchise. In fact, Ken Ishikawa even left Go's company (Dynamic Pro) and went on to draw Getter Robo Go by himself in 1990. (He came back later) The plot does get pretty great in that arc, so go read it.
Not necessarily. More that ambition is harder in certain genres than others. It is hard to be original and grandiose in a genre that has been flooded with other works.Mr. Hat'n'Clogs (post: 1492369) wrote:I would never say that ambition is by any means bad, I mean, I just made a thread about The Tatami Galaxy trying to get people to go watch it because I would like to reward ambition, and I think Masaaki Yuasa is shows both ambition and talent in The Tatami Galaxy. I do, however, dislike the idea that both ambition and certain genres are mutually exclusive.
Likewise. My dilatory responses are entirely the product of my hectic school term.For instance, you seem to imply that if a work is a part of a popular genre it is less ambitious and therefore has less potential than a work that is not part of a popular genre. Do you then dismiss Macross and Patlabor for coming out during a time when robot shows were popular? Both shows are unique and innovative both now and when they came out, and I would still call both of them classics. I'm not saying that a school-based comedy is better than the complex thriller by any means]Nope. Macross and Patlabor were ambitious in their day. Heck. Even after decades of robot shows every once in a while a truly great one comes out (like Giant Robo). I just contend that is much harder to be ambitious when in a genre were almost everything has already been done before.I wouldn't really call that ambitious, although I can't say for certain since I haven't seen the show. I am using the word ambitious as something that is somewhat analogous to "ground breaking" or "bites off more than it can chew, and chews it anyway".Did it set out to be a Deep Meaningful Show? I guess that depends on what you mean by ambition. Kamichu! had a ridiculous amount of creative talent go into making it an excellent show, and it shows when you watch it.Nothing wrong with a well made show, regardless of the genre. I just think that trying to push creative limits should count for quite a bit, regardless of execution. Also, I have been limiting my criteria for "original content" to anime. If you want to expand it to all forms of entertainment then, well, Solomon said it best "there is nothing new under the sun".I mean, most people when describing Baccano! mention that it is something like a blend of Highlander, The Godfather and Pulp Fiction, so it isn't necessarily "original" if you want to use the term. I absolutely love Baccano! because I love the characters, I love the plot, I love the pacing and execution of the show, regardless of our differing opinions on how deep the characters are. If Kannagi or Toradora! managed to match that level of talent and execution, I would easily love the shows just as much.Not only depressing viewpoints about friendships not very common in anime, but Shinkai's sub-section of it is pretty special. Ambitious even. 5cm Per Second is the latest and best iteration of the ideas that he has been working on throughout his career. It is both ambitious and well executed. Although Shinkai is getting close to wearing out his little niche genre.I see that you're a huge fan of the film 5 Centimeters per Second, so much so that you list it as your very favorite on MAL. While the genre of depressing films about distance is pretty small in anime, would you call it ambition for Shinkai to repeat much of the same concept over again? Or would you say 5 Centimeters per Second is the perfection of the ideas originally contained within Voices of a Distant Star and The Place Promised in Our Early Days?That is fair.While I never said anyone was disliking Yotsuba&!, I rarely see people calling it one of The Greatest Manga Of All Time, something I often see for Monster.[SIZE="1"]
(pssst, as a side note, I want to make sure that while I enjoy discussing this, I'm not thinking less of you or anything)[/SIZE]
MasterDias wrote:Shingeki no Kyojin vol.'s 1-4: So, if you haven't heard of this by now, you probably will within a year or two. It was supposedly rejected by Shonen Jump originally. So the author took it to Kodansha, and its now a best-selling series in Japan. It's a dark and surprisingly compelling story. I think Claymore fans will like this (as well as fans of gritty seinen fantasies like Berserk maybe).
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