Ace33Wing (post: 1573369) wrote:Gundam 0079- It is about time I started this one. It is pretty good so far and I'm halfway through. Although it bothers me that Amuro doesn't act like a soldier and lets every enemy live only to kill later.
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1573124) wrote:If you don't feel like watching the first two UC shows, then I'd say 0080 War in the Pocket is the best bet. You really don't need a ton of context apart from what the film provides (there's a war b/w Fed and Colonies), and it is actually one of the absolute best iterations of the franchise.
Ace33Wing (post: 1573369) wrote:
Gundam 0079- It is about time I started this one. It is pretty good so far and I'm halfway through. Although it bothers me that Amuro doesn't act like a soldier and lets every enemy live only to kill later.
It's funny that you consider the heist aspect the core of what the film is about. How do you see the ending as servicing this? I personally saw 0080 as the crystallization of the essence of every Gundam series: Sure, you may have an idealization of war, with heroes and villains, as something grand. And sure, these robots are cool. But, the reality is this: war is hell.Davidizer13 (post: 1573464) wrote:It's a great heist movie wrapped in a big, dramatic war movie, wrapped in anime robot packaging.
Really? The franchise as a whole seems to me to be a lot less single-note than that, and 0080 seems to me to be less of a crystalisation than a repudiation. Initially most iterations suggest that war is horrible but necessary (imagine what would happen if the Titans won...). Then, with Wing or possibly before, the shows start suggesting that war is horrible and unnecessary. But they're still all in favour of violence, it just has to be directed right, usually directed at ending a war. 0080 is the only title I can think of which suggests that even that kind of violence might be unnecessary and counterproductive.TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1573490) wrote:I personally saw 0080 as the crystallization of the essence of every Gundam series: Sure, you may have an idealization of war, with heroes and villains, as something grand. And sure, these robots are cool. But, the reality is this: war is hell.
Hmm, that is an interesting, and certainly more nuanced, view. You're likely on the money, though wasn't the Titans' formation the result of war? If this is true, then one could argue that, though the Titans are evil, that particular ideological conflict, as such, was ultimately avoidable and unnecessary. I have memories of a similar sentiment being the message of 08th MS Team: people have more value/worth than ideologies. Now, I think your point is quite valid when it comes to Ghiren.Agloval (post: 1573512) wrote:Really? The franchise as a whole seems to me to be a lot less single-note than that, and 0080 seems to me to be less of a crystalisation than a repudiation. Initially most iterations suggest that war is horrible but necessary (imagine what would happen if the Titans won...). Then, with Wing or possibly before, the shows start suggesting that war is horrible and unnecessary. But they're still all in favour of violence, it just has to be directed right, usually directed at ending a war. 0080 is the only title I can think of which suggests that even that kind of violence might be unnecessary and counterproductive.
Mmm, yeah -- I suppose if the shift of populations from Earth to space and the initial treatment of the colonies had been better-handled outright war might have been avoided in 0079 too. Maybe 'necessary' suggests a kind of inevitability which is inaccurate. But I think the first tranch of Gundam series always start by putting everyone in a place where prosecuting the war they have in front of them is a better choice than trying to shoot some sense into both sides ala SEED.TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1573533) wrote:You're likely on the money, though wasn't the Titans' formation the result of war? If this is true, then one could argue that, though the Titans are evil, that particular ideological conflict, as such, was ultimately avoidable and unnecessary.
Davidizer13 (post: 1573464) wrote:Yeah, um, way to miss the point of the entire [s]series[/s] franchise.
Neane (post: 1573465) wrote:Something tells me that you would like Armored Trooper Votoms.
Mouse2010 (post: 1573542) wrote:Subtledoctor, will it also make you happy if I admit that I started watching the original SDF Macross?
Unfortunately, I'm watching the dub,
Though my adoration of SDFM is well-known, I cannot speak to the quality of the English dub experience. I do hope you like it a lot, regardless. Macross has something for almost everyone, so most people find something that they can enjoy.since that's what's legally streaming on Hulu. (I cannot STAND the fact that Minmay's voice actress pronounces "Hikaru" differently than everyone else on the show.) I'm enjoying it, although I did kind of want to punch Hikaru when he explained that girls were supposed to cook and look cute. Let's hope he develops into less of a misogynist over the course of the series. I'm only up to episode 11, so there's still time!
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1573490) wrote:It's funny that you consider the heist aspect the core of what the film is about. How do you see the ending as servicing this? I personally saw 0080 as the crystallization of the essence of every Gundam series: Sure, you may have an idealization of war, with heroes and villains, as something grand. And sure, these robots are cool. But, the reality is this: war is hell.
Ace33Wing wrote:Please don't misunderstand but I meant to say that it bothered me that Amuro would miss a chance to eliminate an enemy when it was necessary. I understand that it was because he was only a young teen civilian turned into a soldier against his will. I actually like him as a character.
bakura91 (post: 1573642) wrote:I'll be kind of interested in hearing your thoughts on Saint Seiya. It's rather uncommon for someone to tackle such an old series nowadays.
Maokun (post: 1574683) wrote:Dangit Neane, stop tempting me with those laughable steaming piles when I barely have time to watch the actual good stuff!
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