A Good Manga... and then it happens

[Ren_sama]

YEA! I hate that! *fumes*
Or when your reading a good manga...then..then you find out its shounen ai! AAH!

yea, and it sucks even more if its in an anime...cux post-its won't help then...>__<'' T__T

[Aka-chan]

The "surprise! It's shounen-ai!" occurences are possibly worse than the unexpected fanservice moments in my opinion because once I've found it's shounen-ai, I refuse to read/watch any more regardless of any other factors, which is particularly annoying if there's a good plot otherwise. *sigh* This also applies to fanfiction, and sometimes there aren't warnings or proper ratings there.

[mitsuki lover]

I think fanfic is worse at times than finding a couple pages of nudity in a
manga since there are times when some "fans" will concoct situations just to get character A and B in a sexual position that you know is untrue because they would never be caught dead doing it for "Real" in the Anime.

[MorwenLaicoriel]

>_< Yeah...some fans ANNOY me. There's one video game I like where there's actually fans of a couple that's a father and son. I can understand some shouen-ai/yaoi, because if you don't believe it's wrong...but INCEST is just taking it WAY too far.

Gosh, it's a good thing I have this site to let me know what stuff is in anime and manga. XD Otherwise, I could see myself randomly checking out anything from the library. ^^;

[uc pseudonym]

Fanfiction is also a highly annoying factor, to the point that I rarely ever read fanfiction except under unusual circumstances. Most of the time the authors are so terrible I would never want to read their work in the first place, but those that seem to have real skill (but in areas as relate to this thread) frustrate me.

[Heart of Sword]

Icky! Ickickick! *shudder*

The worst I've ever seen is the brief, unsuggestive bath nudity in Inuyasha. I will not read anything that's T+ unless it's just for violence and I've read reviews on it. I don't wanna run into "adult" stuff. o_o (I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, in my opinion an adult watching "porn" is no worse than a kid watching it...) I'll never read an M rated manga.

Hey, if you want clean, read Rurouni Kenshin.

[Fireproof]

*Reads manga* Hmm. Good manga. *Sees fanservie* Ooh! *Punches self* No. I am Fireproof, not, Fallable-to-fanservice-guy. I must be strong. *Tears out page, edits it, then eats edited version* Meh. Manga ink has got to be good for you somehow.

[bigsleepj]

This may have been posted here before, but one of Murphy's laws of anime (which also applies to manga) is that if a series has any nudity or fanservice whatsoever the person most likely to be offended will walk in at the very moment it appears. I've found this to be surprisingly true...

I wouldn't just put that with anime. I was once, when I was younger, watching a very good movie. Just when there came a questionable part that had little to the movie or its message, in walks my mother. I suppose you can work out what happened next.

[Neosevangel]

That happened with me when I read Maison Ikkoku. I ended up just throwing it away. My mom accidently (really accidently honestly!) throwing it into a dumpster (long story). I just couldn't stand Akemi and her nudity!

[LightUpTheDark]

Like the rest of you, I dislike seeing nudity...but... and don't scream at me for saying this, I'd rather see manga nudity ( as long as it's not people doing the dirty or homosexually themed), than read dialogue with the Lord's name in vein, especially in the G-D form, or see blantant Occultic theme's. I've never altered any of my manga...though drawing clothes on the naked people is a good idea, excpet to white out some afore mentioned language in one of my books. My only thought on 'illustrating' clothing on nude characters, though, is that it would really tweak with the storyline in Ranma 1/2. But when it comes to someone being cursed, and turning from an animal to a human, I rather like how the author of Fruits Basket did it. I mean, when they change back, You NEVER see Yuki, Kyo, etc in the buff. And I really appreciate that. It shows that if you want to, you don't have to draw it, and by not doing so, it doesn't detract from the storyline at all.

[Cap'n Nick]

I was reading manga in the bookstore with Ashley (not mod Ashley) when I got to a page with the main character running around in her undies for no good reason. I said to Ashley, "Don't you just hate it how they always have to put in a random underwear shot?" to which she replied, "How'd you know?!" I looked over at her manga, and she had an underwear page, too!

The pages were tasteful and not out of context, but certainly did not require revealing (let alone focusing on) anybody's undergarments. I was disappointed that the artists limited themselves by choosing these layouts and frustrated that fanservice has become so ubiquitous that I cannot even read a supposedly "clean" manga without this pandering to my baser impulses.

[BigZam]

I usually try to stick to mecha manga, like Mobile Suit Gundam SEED. I was reading the Candidate for Goddess, but that became a little suggestive, and it was the first time i've ever had to censor a manga for language. But Gundam SEED's pretty good, so that's what i'm stickin to. I can't wait for issue three!

[GreyRauken]

I know what you mean, but alot of times its not portrayed grotesquely...Nudity used in a mature art form (Portreyed a certain way) isnt all that wrong. Ive read plenty of mangas were the nudity causes no question because *Points up to previous sentence* it was done well... But o/ than that, i totally agree with you. (Like in Naruto, which sucked anyways so it wasnt thay big of a dissapointment )

[Mangafanatic]

I know what you mean, but alot of times its not portrayed grotesquely...Nudity used in a mature art form (Portreyed a certain way) isnt all that wrong. Ive read plenty of mangas were the nudity causes no question because *Points up to previous sentence* it was done well... But o/ than that, i totally agree with you. (Like in Naruto, which sucked anyways so it wasnt thay big of a dissapointment )

Even "arttistic nudity"(if there is such a thing) can be a stumbling block for some. Which is why I don't read it. I don't like to support anything that could cause my Christian brothers to fall. Just my two cents.

[uc pseudonym]

I know what you mean, but alot of times its not portrayed grotesquely...Nudity used in a mature art form (Portreyed a certain way) isnt all that wrong. Ive read plenty of mangas were the nudity causes no question because *Points up to previous sentence* it was done well...

That's an entirely semantic position... let me ask for some clarification.

For one, how, exactly, can nudity be well done? What is your definition of well done? In general, I would term it something that significantly adds to the overall plot... I can't say I can think of a situation in which nudity would contribute. Also, note that this thread is opposed to pornography, which by definition does not mean nudity, but merely something intended to cause sexual arousal. Literature, photographs, manga: it is all the same.

But do not take that as an attack. I am merely asking you to define your position so that it is more clear.

[GreyRauken]

That's an entirely semantic position... let me ask for some clarification.

For one, how, exactly, can nudity be well done? What is your definition of well done? In general, I would term it something that significantly adds to the overall plot... I can't say I can think of a situation in which nudity would contribute. Also, note that this thread is opposed to pornography, which by definition does not mean nudity, but merely something intended to cause sexual arousal. Literature, photographs, manga: it is all the same.

But do not take that as an attack. I am merely asking you to define your position so that it is more clear.

Alot of art tasteful nudity. Take the Sistine chapel (Along with many other pieces in the reneissence) for example... Thats art, not pornography. And many Mangas have it done similarly (Im not saying all, in fact most dont...) Im not defending it when it is innapropriate, quite the opposite.

[uc pseudonym]

Thank you for clarifying. My feelings on the Renaissance aside, that position makes sense. I can't think of any manga, from surface memory, that fits that category, but I can accept that.

[John316]

Hm. I've never been really bothered by it much. To me, you should only be bothered by nudity if it causes you to think about other things. I for one, have never been told by God to be ashamed of the bodies of his children. If your faith is strong and your heart is pure, I don't think you should really have any kind of reaction to nudity. Obviously for those whom it does have an effect, I would prevent their exposure to it, but for me personally I don't think it's a big deal.

[Ichigo_89]

I feel exactly the same way, John.

[Kenshin17]

I hate it when they ruin a perfectly good story with fanservice and nudity. I made the mistake of buying the Ai Yori Aoshi series. I tried to ignor the nudity but, oh my gosh!!
Thankfully my brother put me back on the right track, and I trashed them. Its hard because I liked the story. Sadness. I'm glad because the Ai Yori Aoshi Enishi series has way less stuff like that. No flat out nudity yet,(that i remember) and the fanservice is barable.
I am of the opinion that it is much more attractive to draw characters dressed. Kamono's are so cute

[uc pseudonym]

I for one, have never been told by God to be ashamed of the bodies of his children.

Personally I feel similarly (to your general position, not the quote), but I do not believe that is the position most of us are taking regarding nudity. When it is in the context of this thread (fanservice) is is a perversion of God's original intent, it is designed to cause people to stumble (not that the creators thought that).

[Knives]

THe pen is the greatest of all editing tools. Usualy for me if there is some partial stuff i can stand it but any full frontal and I might rip the page out or put duct tape over it.

[snapdragon76]

How many times has this happened to you? Your reading what you think is great manga. I mean, the jokes are hilarious, the anime is superb, and the storyline is amazing. You get to page 30, and then you flip the page to find... naked characters!!! ahh!!! I mean... is that really necessary?!?!?!? How many times has it happened to you, and how did you react? Did you continue reading it hoping it would get better, closingyour eyes to the nakedness, or did you shut it immediatly?

For me it depends. If a character (mostly a woman) is taking a bath, I'd go, *sigh* "OK, you can't wear clothes in the bath. I understand that. Let's get past this." I've been lucky and that's been the majority of the case. It wasn't just nudity for the sake of nudity. However, one of my favorite series, Mars has a sex scene in it. Needless to say, I flipped past it pretty quick. You didn't really see anything, but you still knew what was happening. And luckily, it only happened once.

[Mangafanatic]

THe pen is the greatest of all editing tools. Usualy for me if there is some partial stuff i can stand it but any full frontal and I might rip the page out or put duct tape over it.

Yeah, Rock on "The Pen". Actually, I rarely have to use it. I just try not to buy anything that I would feel ashamed to have un-"pen"ned.

[Mangafanatic]

For me it depends. If a character (mostly a woman) is taking a bath, I'd go, *sigh* "OK, you can't wear clothes in the bath. I understand that. Let's get past this." I've been lucky and that's been the majority of the case. It wasn't just nudity for the sake of nudity. However, one of my favorite series, Mars has a sex scene in it. Needless to say, I flipped past it pretty quick. You didn't really see anything, but you still knew what was happening. And luckily, it only happened once.

See, I can't excuse it that easily. Unless a character will die unless they take a bath ever volume-- a bath scene is still stupid fan service. I do not care that this woman is taking a bath, please spare me the three page ordeal. Just my two cents.

[Cap'n Nick]

For me it depends. If a character (mostly a woman) is taking a bath, I'd go, *sigh* "OK, you can't wear clothes in the bath.

That's actually the kind that I hate most, when events in the story are changed for the sake of getting people naked. Although, not all bath scenes are bad. They can be a great way to show feelings of vulnerability and introspection.

[snapdragon76]

See, I can't excuse it that easily. Unless a character will die unless they take a bath ever volume-- a bath scene is still stupid fan service. I do not care that this woman is taking a bath, please spare me the three page ordeal. Just my two cents.

Well, three pages of it is excessive, I admit. And one every volume adds to the excessiveness. If it's one panel, one volume, I just, "Ehhh..."

[Raiden no Kishi]

This may have been posted here before, but one of Murphy's laws of anime (which also applies to manga) is that if a series has any nudity or fanservice whatsoever the person most likely to be offended will walk in at the very moment it appears. I've found this to be surprisingly true...

This is again why I have no manga or anime. ~_~

Rai

[shooraijin]

Bump to fix last-posted flag. Carry on.