O my gosh! No threads on Star Wars 3 yet!?

[Sesshoumaru]

You're kidding right??

[Arnobius]

I recently found out that Star Wars is all based on Zen buddism...interseting.

Eastern religion anyway. He dabbled with it in the 80's. Hence the mystic talk of the force

[Savior_Sora]

Hey I got supporiting onfo on what I posted earlier as the intention of the making of the movies ^^. I was right =D!!!!

Dark Side: Last 'Star Wars' Movie Not for Kids?
By David Germain
Associated Press

The Force lands in theaters a bit more forcefully in the final installment of George Lucas' "Star Wars" tale.

"Episode III 'Revenge of the Sith'" is the first "Star Wars" tale to receive a PG-13 rating. The movie was screened for reporters May 3 at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch, and the PG-13 rating - "for sci-fi violence and some intense images" - is well-deserved.

The action is relentless and includes sequences more dark and disturbing than anything previously seen in the tragic Skywalker soap opera.

Young Jedi knight Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) completes his transformation into blackhearted villain Darth Vader with a bloodbath against old allies, the body count including a corridor of "youngling" corpses - Jedi children cut down by his light saber.

Anakin is left gruesomely mutilated in a death duel with former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). His surgical reclamation as the part-flesh, part-machine Vader is chillingly juxtaposed against the bleak childbirth scene of his wife, Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman), whose twins grow up to be heroes of the original "Star Wars" trilogy, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia.

Even cute and cuddly Jedi master Yoda takes his lumps, torched by the electroshock treatment dished out by the saga's puppetmaster, the evil emperor (Ian McDiarmid).

The previous five "Star Wars" flicks all were rated PG, which carry the mild warning "parental guidance suggested," and that some scenes might be unsuitable for children. The PG-13 rating carries the alert "parents strongly cautioned" that some material could be inappropriate for those younger than 13.

"We're getting a lot of flak from parents, a lot of people saying how can you do this? My children love these movies. Why can you not let them go see it?" Lucas told The Associated Press in a recent interview. "But I have to tell a story. I'm not making these, oddly enough, to be giant, successful blockbusters. I'm making them because I'm telling a story, and I have to tell the story I intended."

Of course, the PG-13 rating does not prohibit children under 13 from seeing the film without an adult tagging along. And while it's not likely to make much of a dent in the movie's certain blockbuster status, the rating could give some parents pause.

"These are pretty intense. Who should be allowed to see them should be left up to the parents, but at least they're warned that it's pretty intense," Lucas said. "And obviously, that's not a good business move."


See? hahahahaha ^^ j/k =P

[Stephen]

I was gonna post that...and then said, nah...someone else will. *laughs* You da man Sora. But, I am willing to bet the haters will say somthing like... "yeah he is aiming at adults now to make up for the first 2 crapfests" Or somthing to that effect. *yawn* Funny thing is...people who talk the most trash...are always right there shelling out the cash at the theater just like the rest of us.

[Orange Kitten]

That makes me feel a little more confident in this movie actually being decent. But I won't raise them too high, as to be disapointed. But I'm going to try not to prejudge this.

With everything I'm hearing, I do believe this one will be much better. However, how much better is still yet to be seen.

[Stephen]

The body count including a corridor of "youngling" corpses - Jedi children cut down by his light saber

I wondered if they were going to include that...

[Orange Kitten]

Funny thing is...people who talk the most trash...are always right there shelling out the cash at the theater just like the rest of us.

Never been a fan of something and, even though knew it was going to bad, had to watch it?

Many times the biggest trash talkers are biggest fans. But of course they're still going to see it.

Even if I know something will suck, I'll try to see it anyway. Especially really hyped up movies such as Star Wars. It's mainly so I can argue with people. How can I back up my comments without throwing out some facts from the movie itself? Not seeing the movie prevents me from having solid arguments and winning them.

[Savior_Sora]

I wondered if they were going to include that...

Well it may sound crude, but to show just how evil Ani becomes they may have to show it. Wether or not its gonna be disturbing or not...thats another question.

Just imagine how long its gonna take to get on DVD if it took this long to release on theaters >.<.

[battletech]

I got the tickets 3 weeks before the opening.
I got them for friday because the opening night will be filled with fans who take it to far.

[Stephen]

Many times the biggest trash talkers are biggest fans. But of course they're still going to see it

That just irks me. My entire point was, the people who hate the first 2 films...don't hate it enough to skip the 3rd...because they really know there reasons for hating the first 2 are wrong.

Well it may sound crude, but to show just how evil Ani becomes they may have to show it. Wether or not its gonna be disturbing or not...thats another question.

I like that they are pulling no punches in showing Anakins fall. It should be awesome.

Just imagine how long its gonna take to get on DVD if it took this long to release on theaters >.<.

Maybe I am just full of wishful thinking...but I figure this will be out on DVD just in time for Christmas.

[Arnobius]

That just irks me. My entire point was, the people who hate the first 2 films...don't hate it enough to skip the 3rd...because they really know there reasons for hating the first 2 are wrong.

Or we hope Lucas finally does what we hoped he would do for the first two. At any rate, the trailers seem closer to the spirit of the originals than the preceding two films.

Lucas can either make this a great chara driven story or he can make it another toy and videogame commercial like eps 1 and 2

[Nate]

That just irks me. My entire point was, the people who hate the first 2 films...don't hate it enough to skip the 3rd...because they really know there reasons for hating the first 2 are wrong.

I could not disagree with that statement more.

I really did not like Final Fantasy VIII at all, yet I still bought IX. It wasn't that I felt my reasons for hating VIII were wrong, it was the hope that with IX, they would make the game better, more like the other ones.

So it is with Episode III. I do not like Episode I at all, and II was only passable, in my opinion. I will go see Episode III, not because I think my reasons for not liking the first two are wrong, but in the hope that it will be more in the spirit of the other movies.

I heard someone in a chat room say that Metal Gear for the NES sucked. But everyone still bought Metal Gear Solid, right? Because they were hoping that they were going to get a better game, not because they really liked the first one deep down inside and knew they were wrong for hating it. That assumption is quite absurd.

[PrincessZelda]

Whoa, I got to this thread late... But anyways, I'm going to the midnight showing of Episode III!!!

[Stephen]

Its popular to bash the new films. Most people who bash them make up crap. Like I told someone the other day...I don't care if someone likes or hates the new films...but have a good reason for doing either. To just say, I hate the new ones cause the acting sucks...is stupid. Nostelgia blinds people so bad they can't even admit things. I have yet to hear a reason the new films suck for that the old ones were not guitly of.

[Sesshoumaru]

I could not disagree with that statement more.

I really did not like Final Fantasy VIII at all,.

*Falls on floor laughing*
Good one

[Arnobius]

Its popular to bash the new films. Most people who bash them make up crap. Like I told someone the other day...I don't care if someone likes or hates the new films...but have a good reason for doing either. To just say, I hate the new ones cause the acting sucks...is stupid. Nostelgia blinds people so bad they can't even admit things. I have yet to hear a reason the new films suck for that the old ones were not guitly of.

Script writing that made the originals look like Oscar worthy material? Nobody denies that the originals were not on par with the stories of other films of the era (Gandhi etc). However I suspect that if it was Episode 1 that was released in 1977, there never would have been an episode 2.

If you want a reason, with the originals, it made me care what happened to the characters. Back then the end of each movie had everyone talking about it, hardly able to wait for the next 3 year intermission to be over. Episode 1 in contrast was so lifeless (the action didn't thrill, and I couldn't have cared less if something bad happened to the chara), that I did not bother to see episode 2 until it was on DVD. Episode 2 wasn't too bad, but still didn't feel "Star Wars" in spirit. Episode 3 trailers looks like what I was hoping to see in one and two.

The thing is the scenes don't work well. I'm on record as saying I hated the ewoks in Jedi, but even today, there's a sense of sad helplessness when the stormtroopers are hunting down and killing the ewoks (before they did the deus ex machina turnaround). I can't think of any scenes in the newer trilogy that evoke any real emotional outbreak.

Maybe you'll disagree, which is fine, but calling other peoples arguments "crap" is kind of getting close to the flame level.

[Stephen]

calling other peoples arguments "crap" is kind of getting close to the flame level.

Now if we correctly read what I wrote...

Most people who bash them make up crap

Now logicly, there will be some people who have decent reasons to dislike the new films. My point was from what I have seen on these boards, and others...most people speak nonsense for reasons. One thing to remember as far as caring about characters...how old were you when you saw the first films? As far as starting points for the trilogy...think about storyline. Of course Ep4 was more exciting then Ep1. Once Lucas decided he was going to add 3 more films...he could not jumble the storyline up...thus, we had to have the storyline of Ep1.

Edit:

Ok, Ok. I can see this thread is going nowhere. So, rather then continue to debate..I will let pictures speak for me. For one, to all those who hate the new films...I found a few people who agree with you...and man...there pretty stern on there views....



And for those who still have hope for Episode 3...don't give into fear like this poor soul....

[Arnobius]

Now if we correctly read what I wrote...



Now logicly, there will be some people who have decent reasons to dislike the new films. My point was from what I have seen on these boards, and others...most people speak nonsense for reasons. One thing to remember as far as caring about characters...how old were you when you saw the first films? As far as starting points for the trilogy...think about storyline. Of course Ep4 was more exciting then Ep1. Once Lucas decided he was going to add 3 more films...he could not jumble the storyline up...thus, we had to have the storyline of Ep1.

For the first, they give arguments you disagree with. Fine, but I think it is playing with semantics to say "Most people who bash them make up crap" is not in fact giving a contemptuous label to their arguments.

Personally I find most of the pro ep 1+2 arguments to be just as invalid as the anti. However, the labelling of opposing arguments in a derogatory manner... well it bothers me. I try to keep the personal out of it unless it's pertaining to me (may not always succeed but it's what I try for)

I feel my age is irrelevant as I can feel the same thrill now watching the originals now on DVD as I did then on the big screen. It's not nolstalgia, it's a belief that the film was put together better with more attention paid to dramatic angles, pacing, coordination of music and imagery etc. (Going OT, I think that digital cameras and CGI are actually making modern movies more soulless than older ones in general. The main reason I thought Raiders of the Lost Ark was better than Last Crusade was for that reason)

And as for stories, I have to disagree. They could have started Episode I with Anakin as an adult, meeting Obi Wan during the clone wars-- maybe make him an idealistic young man like Luke was, could have had Obi Wan decide he could train Anakin as well as Yoda could, indicate that Owen lars knew very well about Anakin. Things directly indicated by the dialogue in the originals that the current movies seem to ignore (this was my biggest pet peeve of the second set of movies). I'd liked to have seen things like his not being strong enough in the force led to some tragedy that tempted him to use the dark side for an emergency boost that gradually corrupts him.

My opinions are my own, and don't object to anyone who liked the movies. I'm sure I have things in my collection you'd hate as well, but some comments seem rather uncivil and thats when I get annoyed.

[Stephen]

*laughs* My timing was off I see. Check my post edit.

[Arnobius]

*laughs* My timing was off I see. Check my post edit.

Crossed posts I guess. Happens all the time

Hope you didn't think I was going after you personal. It just rubbed me the wrong way is all.

[Stephen]

No worries. In related Starwars news...what on EARTH did Natalie Portman do to her hair?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/163638/1_25_starwars.jpg


(Hayden also looks more boyish now...a shame, he had real cool hair in Ep3)

[Pent]

In fact the pg-13 rating (in my opinion) wont harm the revenue of this movie at all. Younger viewers may be lost, but since it will (probably) be a better movie there will be alot more older viewers and people coming back to see it twice. And it's a Starwars movie! It's obvously going to make alot of money. I'm glad the only starwars movie to have a pg-13 rating ever to come out was the only one to come out when I was at least 13. I have been reading through the script and man if this had any type of realistic bleeding (starwars never does) it would get an R rating. Seriously. I'm glad they don't because then I might not be able to see it. The seen where anikan kills all the jedi children is staying in the movie I'm pretty sure. I'm kind of mad that tickets are allready sold out for two weeks. Now I have to wait even longer to see it.

[Nate]

*Falls on floor laughing*
Good one

What?

Anyway...

You're right. What DID she do to her hair? Geez.

I figured Anakin might look a bit more shaggy due to the Clone Wars cartoon.

And finally, how did you find my picture, Shatterheart?

[Arnobius]

No worries. In related Starwars news...what on EARTH did Natalie Portman do to her hair?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/163638/1_25_starwars.jpg


(Hayden also looks more boyish now...a shame, he had real cool hair in Ep3)

Well, it looks like they're trying to do a connection with the original Luke with his 70's hair and Leia with her hairdos. That was my thought when I saw the trailers anyway. Unfortunately, while it looked normal in '77, it looked kind of funny on him in 2005, IMO. Man it's hard to believe we had such bad taste back then! Polyester suits, wide collars, wide ties, bell bottoms

...or alternately, Natalie Portman cut her hair off so Lucas couldn't put her in any of those weird outfits that she was wearing in episode 1

[Stephen]

...or alternately, Natalie Portman cut her hair off so Lucas couldn't put her in any of those weird outfits that she was wearing in episode 1

Or to make sure she would not be put in one like Leia had for Jabbas palace...

[Arnobius]

Or to make sure she would not be put in one like Leia had for Jabbas palace...

Ah, yes. The fanservice...

[Stephen]

If people knew what Carrie Fisher looked like now...they would never...ever...want to see that little metal bathing suit again.

[Arnobius]

If people knew what Carrie Fisher looked like now...they would never...ever...want to see that little metal bathing suit again.

Well, yes. Of course she's basically said she was on drugs the whole time she was doing the movies too...


Hmm, I wonder what it would have been like if she played the part like the crazy woman in "Blues Brothers", seeing him try to kill Han Solo every few scenes...

[holysoldier5000]

"Don't underestimate the power of the dark side."



"I want you to go and see my movie so you can see the power of the dark side!"



"I wonder if the dark side could ever be too powerful???"




"AHH!!! Dark side...too...strong! Hurting...my...head! Bad midiclorines! Get out of my HEAD!"

[PrincessZelda]

No worries. In related Starwars news...what on EARTH did Natalie Portman do to her hair?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/163638/1_25_starwars.jpg


(Hayden also looks more boyish now...a shame, he had real cool hair in Ep3)

WHOA! She like, shaved her head! Now she looks kind of like a turtle...